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Tartakovsky surname study by classical and genetic genealogy

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Dmitry L. Tartakovsky

Tartakovsky surname study by classical and genetic genealogy

In 1834-1850 approximately 40% of Tartakovskys lived in three locations in current Zhytomyr region (Ukraine) and belonged to four families — two families of merchants and two of urban commoners. No archival records confirming residence of Tartakovskys in the first half of 19th century outside the current Zhytomyr region have been found. The participants of Tartakovsky DNA project belong to two families. One of the families is identified as descendants of the merchants Tartakovskys who lived in the first half of 19th century in Zhytomyr city. No relationship between the family of merchants from Zhytomyr city and a family of the urban commoners of Chervone settlement has been found in the autosomal DNA test.

The project is not limited by time. The main prospect of the project is to attract new participants to identify branches of the surname have not been discovered yet.
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Haplogroups E1b1b1c1 (M34) and E1b1b1c1a (M84) among Jews. Could Abraham be E1b1b1c1 or E1b1b1c1a?

What is the paper about in simple words:
There are about 8% of Jewish male lines and some percent of Arabian male lines originated from a man called E1b1b1c1 and about 4% of Jewish male lines and some percent of Arabian male lines originated from another man called E1b1b1c1a. E1b1b1c1a was a descendant of E1b1b1c1. We wanted to check if the common ancestor of the Jews and the Arabs E1b1b1c1 or E1b1b1c1a was biblical Abraham. How did we study it? It is known that the descendants of Abraham are the Israelites, the Jewish priests — Cohens, the Arabs and the Seyyids. If Abraham was E1b1b1c1 or E1b1b1c1a, the calculated time to most recent common ancestor (TMRCA) of the Israelites', Cohens' and Arabian E1b1b1c1 or E1b1b1c1a lines would be about 4000 years before present (lifetime of biblical Abraham) and 1400 years before present for the Seyyids (lifetime of imam Ali). We calculated different times for the groups listed above, so Abraham could not be E1b1b1c1 or E1b1b1c1a.
Other conclusions of the paper:
- the ancestors of the Jews of E1b1b1c1 and E1b1b1c1a lines were included in Jewish community during the conquest of Canaan.
- the Jewish and Arabian E1b1b1c1a lines are close one to the other, their common ancestor lived 4080±1440 years ago, so, most probably, both are descendants of ancient Canaanites.

Haplogroups E1b1b1c1 (M34) and E1b1b1c1a (M84) among Jews. Could Abraham be E1b1b1c1 or E1b1b1c1a?
Akper Aliev, Dmitry Tartakovsky

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Arabian clusters of haplogroup E1b1b1c1 (M34)

Akper Aliev, Dmitry Tartakovsky. Arabian clusters of haplogroup E1b1b1c1 (M34). The Russian Journal of Genetic Genealogy, Vol 1, No 2 (2010) (PDF)

Haplogroup E1b1b1c1* (M34) and its subclade E1b1b1c1a* (M84) were detected among the Arabs in the Arabian Peninsula. A possible reason for migration of the founder of cluster E1b1b1c1a-E from the Levant to the Arabian Peninsula could be the Crusades.

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The highest diversity of subclades of haplogroup E1b1b1c1 (M34) is observed in the Levant and Anatolia, therefore its ancestral home is often placed in the Eastern Mediterranean [1-3]. In addition, haplogroup E1b1b1c1* (M34) and its subclade E1b1b1c1a* (M84) were detected among the Arabs in the Arabian Peninsula [4, 5], where they form specific clusters — E1b1b1c1-B [6] and E1b1b1c1a-E [7]. Knowing the age of the clusters and their area of distribution, we can find out the history of clusters’ origin and resettlement of their carriers. In this paper we will try to find out the history of E1b1b1c1 and E1b1b1c1a subclades in the Arabian Peninsula on the example of these clusters.

Arabian clusters: when and why?
To find out the origin of the clusters, let us define their ages with the probability of 95% according to [8]. At the time of writing the paper (July 2010) cluster E1b1b1c1-B has had only two 67-marker haplotypes (N=2). Obviously, due to such a small number of haplotypes, their TMRCA (time to most recent ancestor) is “too young” and is 350±320 years, and gives us no reason to draw any definite conclusion about the history of its origin.

The sample of cluster E1b1b1c1a*-E consists of five 67-marker haplotypes. This cluster’s TMRCA is 1090±510 years.

Despite the fact that, due to different size of samples, the ages of these clusters’ founders are different, it should examine the entire period of their confidence intervals, which are intersected.
It is possible that both clusters have arisen in about the same medieval era and are linked to the migration of their founders from the Levant to the Arabian Peninsula according to some important event. What could cause this migration?

We think that a possible cause of the medieval migrations from the Levant could be the Crusades — a series of Western invasions to oust the Muslims from Palestine, which lasted almost two hundred years (1096-1272 years).

The first crusade ended with the capture of Jerusalem and the massacre of Muslims [9]. Apparently, these invasions, and, as a result of them, looting and killings, forced part of the Muslims to seek refuge from persecution of the Crusaders closer to Mecca. This, in our view, could cause to arise at least one cluster of Arabia — E1b1b1c1a-E.

1) Carriers of subclades E1b1b1c1* (M34) and E1b1b1c1a (M84) identified in the Arabian Peninsula, where they form clusters E1b1b1c1-B and E1b1b1c1a-E.
2) The TMRCA of cluster E1b1b1c1*-B is 350±320 years ago, the TMRCA of cluster E1b1b1c1a*-E is 1090±510 years ago. They possibly arose at one time.
3) A possible reason for migration of the founder of cluster E1b1b1c1a-E from the Levant to the Arabian Peninsula could be the Crusades.

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"Little Known" genealogical service by US Government

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LOS ANGELES — At first glance, the photo-copied documents simply looked like government forms and applications.

But when Susanne Mori read more closely, she found the story of her grandfather's life as he made his way in America.

Those 23 pages of facts and dates revealed how a young man, Jinbei Mori, left Japan and arrived in San Francisco the month after the 1906 earthquake, how he spent decades working for the Union Pacific Railroad, how his home was searched by the FBI during World War II.

Mori said seeing her grandfather's photographs and reading his words brought his immigrant experience to life.

“We are all descendants from immigrants, and at some point our families decided to leave the place they called home for whatever reason and come to someplace new and start over,” said Mori, 52, of Santa Barbara, Calif. “Seeing in print the name of a ship and where (my grandfather) was born somehow makes it more real.”

The documents came from U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services, which runs a little-known genealogy service for relatives wanting to learn more about their family history.

The records include naturalization files, visa applications and citizenship tests, and may reveal family secrets and mysteries, said Marian Smith, the agency's historian.

“The details of the story have been told over time, and the edges kind of wear off,” Smith said. With the documents, “there are a lot of “aha!” moments.”

In the past, genealogy researchers had to file document requests under the Freedom of Information Act and sometimes waited years for a response.

Under the genealogy program, which started in 2008, requests are usually completed within 90 days. For $20, the government will run a search of the name, as long as the person is deceased. If there are records available, the government charges additional fees for the files.

In fiscal year 2009, more than 5,300 requests were made, fewer than expected. In addition to relatives, historians or researchers can also request files.

Alan Latteri, 34, had a practical reason for the document search. The Brentwood, Calif., man wanted dual citizenship with Italy and needed to know exactly when his grandfather was naturalized to complete the complex application. After requesting the documents, Latteri learned that he was not eligible. But he did learn more about his grandfather.

“Reading about him is really interesting,” Latteri said. “I don't really have a connection to him other than seeing a few photos and hearing a few stories from my dad.”

Mori was just a toddler when her grandfather died, and she wanted to find out more about his life. She heard about the immigration documents during a genealogy class and submitted a request early last year.

Even though she knew some information, the documents completed the picture in her grandfather's words.

According to the immigration files, Jinbei Mori was born in Okugaita, Japan, on May 25, 1888, and came to the U.S. in May 1906 on the steamship Korea from Hawaii. Soon after, he started working for Union Pacific and became a section foreman. He married and had four sons and a daughter. The family lived in several states, including Wyoming, Idaho and Utah.

During World War II, Mori completed an application listing his height as 5 feet, 3½ inches and his complexion as “yellow.” A photo shows a stern man with a tall forehead who is wearing a dark suit.

In April 1942, the FBI searched his home in Brigham City, Utah, looking for anything prohibited for “enemy aliens of Japanese, German and Italian nationalities.” The agents interviewed his wife, who said her husband had turned in a Spartan shortwave radio to the sheriff.

In 1953, Mori applied for naturalization and took the citizenship test just before Christmas. Though his answers were in Japanese, a notation about the test said, “Apparently OK.” On March 9, 1954, he became a U.S. citizen.

Susanne Mori said the documents confirmed a lot of family stories. She remembered her father talking about making that radio from a kit and how annoyed he was that his father turned it over to authorities. The papers also cleared up some confusion about dates. “What we know about our relatives is what they choose to tell us, and they don't always tell you the truth,” she said. The files also gave her leads for future research.

“It will be a treasure chest for genealogists,” said Pam Wiedenbeck, president of the Southern California Genealogical Society. “Oftentimes these files will have information on brothers, sisters, aunts and uncles that will help connect the dots.”

For experienced genealogists, the files may open the doors to even more research, perhaps leading people to hometowns in their ancestors' native countries. And for those new to genealogy, they may be just the beginning. “For every question you answer, you come up with two or three more,” Wiedenbeck said.

For more information Check out www.uscis.gov/genealogy
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Letter to 80 year old great aunt re geneaology

cut/paste from the present sent to my aunt in Mississippi today. I am remiss in correspondence as she provided the necessary information to get going on the project. It has been paused at the middle ages in England w/ the eldest relative born in 1288, an ancestor of Lord Throckmorton. The mormon's seem to have uploaded everything from England given the missionaries who brought pilgrims back to the states - my benefit though none of us ever encountered them. encouragement to everyone to keep at it and print something for your families even if it is just a sketch!
Dear Aunt Betty Jane,

Please find following a lengthy, hodge-podge printout of the Ward/Cope family line. It may be found online at www.Ancestry.com under search for the file - ______ family’ for those who may be so interested. A link to the file may also be emailed to someone along with an invitation to collaborate. It may be ‘easiest’ to lay the printouts out on the floor or a table after initially unfolding the package. Tacking it to a wall may also aid in viewing the extensive family tree.

I hope I have not inundated you! All but the most far-reaching lines have been included with a few examples. It is certainly understandable why some charts take years to complete ensuring thorough records evaluation let alone time. A few further general notes follow:

• I have hand-written some further dates and information as the screen print-outs do not, for whatever reason, show the birth and death dates with locations. (Please forgive my handwriting!)
o The bulk of the research was completed this summer with some holes filled-in during this last week.
o The project is ongoing as time permits.
• Most of the last 150 years of more immediate relatives have been the hardest to determine due to lack of online records. It will be possible to fill in this information later at the county or city level. For example: Gramie’s birth record; the West family marriage records and anything from the US Civil war.
o I may hire an expert to find the local level records and do plan on DNA family tests in the coming year ultimately determining lineage.
• Not all siblings are printed out simply for a matter of space. As others share common ancestors; the process has been easier given other distant relatives who are also seeking common ancestors. We have shared and tag-teamed research.
• Original records have been printed out for your interest – your father’s WW I & II, census records and the oldest which is the marriage record of 1816 for Absolom Lasater.
• Records further-back than the first ‘official’ U.S. census of 1790 were not able to be printed as they are yet to be scanned but are officially certified by the Millennium project, International census records and other families who have transcribed records from their family bibles to local county and parish records.
• Most of our distant relatives date to England coming-over in the 1600’s. Our ancestors were some of the first colonists in Virginia progressing to North Carolina, Pennsylvania through to Tennessee and Kentucky before reaching Southern Illinois at the turn of the last century. (There are many English records online due to the Mormon archives – several of their early followers were immigrants ‘fresh off the boat’ from England due to Mormon Missionaries. Note NO MORMONS are listed as our blood-lineage.)
• Age differences from the father/husbands to the mother/wives were common along with multiple wives who died in childbirth (12+ children were common) or later in life due to complications.
o Not all wives maiden names were recorded hence the end of some trees.
• My records have stopped along the middle ages with the eldest ancestor being born around 1288.
o Notable names of England include Lord Throckmorton.
o Our American family surnames are numerous throughout early colonist publications. To date, we are not traced directly to any of the founding fathers of the USA nor Johnny Appleseed, Davey Crockett or Jim Bowie as Gramie/your sister told tales when I was a child. It does seem we have a history of ‘staying out of it’ particularly the wars though
 we did have family member’s siblings fighting in the Civil war.

There are numerous other notes one could make but I shall stop here and wish you a happy Holidays before inundating you even further. Please contact me with any further questions you may have. I will be traveling to Canada over the holidays but return for work commencing on the 7th. My next major venture is to Kuala Lampur, Malaysia in October of 2010 for three months returning from there or Singapore to move everything else over in January of 2011 after employment has finally been secured. Do find the phone number and mailing address in the header and footer of this correspondence.

Happy Holidays and to Pam!

With Love,

Anna M. (Flaharty) Smalley

Hello fellow genealogy lovers, I've been using Ancestry.com and have been researching much of my family history for 6 years (I'm 18). My paternal grandfather is the hardest to find information on past his own parents because he came over to the States from Germany at the age of 2.

I am trying to find more information on my paternal grandma's grandmother. Her maiden name is Flaharty (as written in my grandma's Ancestry book) and she was married to William Henry Smalley on March 1, 1888. Her name is Anna M. (not sure what the M stands for) but, as with other ancestors, I'm not sure if it was listed with an alternate first and last name for spelling.

She was born in Illinois (no further information on city- not 100% sure this state is accurate) August 18, 1865 and died in Hobart, Lake (county), Indiana February 7, 1931. I am paying for worldwide (bullshit since I can't find anything in Germany) for a month on Ancestry.com but still am very frustratingly limited with factual sources.

Help please and thank you!
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My grandfather lived in ireland as a child for a short time, but his father's intention was to return permanently. While there, my grandfather went to school. How can I determine whether or not he was registered as a foreign birth and given citizenship during this period? I'm in the US, so online resources would be most helpful.


can't find "first papers" (x-posted to Genealogy)

My grandmother's father died when she was very young. In the 70s or 80s, her brother said he had equipment for copying photographs and all the siblings sent him their photos. Well, he never got around to doing it and then he died. His ex wife seems to have thrown everything out. I would love to give my grandmother a picture of her father.

I found my great-grandfather on both the 1920 and 1930 census (he died in 1933). On both he is listed as "PA" for citizenship, which means that a declaration of intent for naturalization was filed. This includes a photograph.

I can't seem to find it anywhere on ancestry.com (where I found other relatives' papers). I may not be doing something right. We know him as Charles Holovacko, but on various forms he is listed as Vasily Holovcsak (1907 passenger record, ship: Fiume), Charles Holovaka (1920 census, Vermont), and Charles Holovaesko (1930 census, New Jersey).

He's listed as PA by 1920, but I don't know if I should be looking for Vasil, Vasily or Charles, or any of the myriad permutations of the surname that seem to have cropped up in various records. Soundex searches seem to be of no help.

How should I be doing this?

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Newbie questions


Yours truly may get sucked into ancestry.com. i'm seeking tips to do my own research before plunking down any money so i'm building out the tree on my paternal grandmother's side. i am a graduate student so doing research w/ persistence is not a problem for me. anything further back than census records of the mid-1800's then i may start to pay someone for help.

so - before i become too entrenched, a few questions and i'm sure i don't know enough to ask what i don't know to ask so please chime-in!

1) what else is out there w/ the DB like ancestry.com? it can reside on my machine or internet. i'm not fond of the UI design of ancestry as much.
2) sites to connect w/ others of similar surname, doing other geneological research in the USA?
3) other government sites?
4) things you wish someone would have told/warned you when you began your family research?

i do know my paternal grandfather's side. good story of about 10 years ago, went through the freedom of information act to find his background, everything the FBI found on his original parents as he was adopted - didn't find out till he was accepted by the FBI who asked for his birth certificate and his parents couldn't produce it...so it was a family secret till his 20's post law school. he was german thru and thru given up to an orphanage when his father died of smallpox. shocking as one of the first FBI agents, da' gov kept all the records on him down to his last home loan, 50+ years later after leaving the service post-wwII.

yada yada - research, tips, thoughts appreciated as i start this journey...